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How To Improve As Subtlety Rogue - Dragonflight 10.0.2 - World of Warcraft

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Last updated on Nov 28, 2022 at 12:20 by Ashine 52 comments

General Information

On this page, you will find out how you can improve at playing Subtlety Rogue in World of Warcraft — Dragonflight 10.0.2. We list the common mistakes that you should try to avoid and the small details that can greatly improve your performance.

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Overcapping Resources

Since all of Subtlety's damage is tied to resources, it is important to waste as little of them as possible. You should make sure you do not find yourself being Energy capped or casting Combo Point generating abilities when at maximum Combo Points.

2.

Pooling Energy

Pooling Energy has been a vital part of optimal Subtlety gameplay for a long time now. Often players tend to go into Shadow Dance without enough Energy which makes them unable to get the maximum amount of globals in the short burst window. Since Subtlety revolves around these burst windows, you want to make sure you get most out of them.

You should aim to have at least 60 Energy and use Symbols of Death instantly to get close to the Energy cap when going into Shadow Dance burst windows.

3.

Using Cooldowns Together

You should always use Shadow Dance, Symbols of Death, your Covenant ability and Shuriken Tornado, if talented, together. Never use Shadow Dance unless you are about to cap on charges or can combo it with Symbols of Death.

4.

Knowing How To Sim Yourself

It is impossible to correctly play and optimize a Subtlety Rogue without using Raidbots to sim your own character, there are simply too many variables involved to intuitively figure out what gear to wear and so on without simming it first. Generally speaking, a simulation should be the first and final say in the gear you end up wearing for any given situation.

On top of this, simming is now very easy with no need to understand SimulationCraft APLs or installation yourself. All you will need is the in-game SimulationCraft AddOn, and the Raidbots website. Below you can find a video on how to sim your own character using the website.

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Analyzing Your Mistakes as a Subtlety Rogue

When it comes to identifying and improving your mistakes, we strongly recommend the website WoWAnalyzer — it will analyze your logs and give you a report detailing how you did on the problems above and more.

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Changelog

  • 28 Nov. 2022: Reviewed for Dragonflight launch.
  • 25 Oct. 2022: Updated for Dragonflight pre-patch.

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This guide has been written by Ashine. He is raiding with FatSharkYes and has been competing in the MDI for multiple years, achieving 1st place in 2018 and 3rd place in BlizzCon 2019. You can watch him play on Twitch.

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Method Subtlety Rogue Guide - Playstyle And Rotation

Playstyle & Rotation

General Rotation:

When you play with the Deeper Stratagem and Secret Stratagem talents, you will finish at 5 or more combo points, which also applies to all the finishers in the priority lists. However, it does not apply if you are playing Resounding Clarity and have charged combo points active.

Below I will list spells in a priority order to make it easier to understand the importance of certain parts of the gameplay loop for subtlety.

Danse Macabre + Dark Brew one Shadow Dance build
  1. Use Shadow Blades on cooldown
  2. Use Symbols of Death on cooldown
  3. Use Shadow Dance on cooldown with 0-1 combo points
  4. Cast Shadowstrike in Shadow Dance or from Vanish
  5. Cast Gloomblade as your first builder in Shadow Dance when playing The First Dance and whenever you’re not in Shadow Dance
  6. Cast Echoing Reprimand, only in Shadow Dance
  7. Cast Secret Technique, only in Shadow Dance
  8. Maintain and refresh Slice and Dice, do not use while in Shadow Dance
  9. Maintain and refresh Rupture, do not use while in Shadow Dance, it’s ok to refresh Rupture a few seconds before pandemic if it’s going to drop in Shadow Dance
  10. Cast Eviscerate

Opener:
Danse Macabre + Dark Brew one Shadow Dance build
  1. Shadowstrike + Symbols of Death
  2. Rupture
  3. Shadow Blades
  4. Shadow Dance + Gloomblade 
  5. Eviscerate
  6. Echoing Reprimand
  7. Secret Technique
  8. Shadowstrike
  9. Eviscerate
  10. Shadowstrike
  11. Eviscerate
Danse Macabre + Flagellation two Shadow Dance build
  1. Shadowstrike + Shadow Blades
  2. Flagellation + Symbols of Death
  3. Rupture
  4. Shadow Dance + Gloomblade 
  5. Eviscerate
  6. Shadowstrike
  7. Secret Technique
  8. Shadowstrike
  9. Eviscerate
  10. Shadowstrike
  11. Shadowstrike

Multi Target:
  1. Use Flagellation on a priority target on cooldown
  2. Use Shuriken Tornado on cooldown. Hold if you know there will be a 5+ target situation coming up shortly
  3. Use Secret Technique on cooldown but within Shadow Dance
  4. Use Symbols of Death on cooldown
  5. Use Shadow Blades on cooldown
  6. Cast Shuriken Storm when you are out of Shadow Dance
  7. Cast Shuriken Storm while you are in Shadow Dance if there are 3 or more targets nearby
  8. Cast Shadowstrike when in Shadow Dance, and you have Premeditation ready
  9. Maintain Rupture on all nearby targets if they live 14 seconds or more
  10. Maintain Slice and Dice on up to 6 targets
  11. Cast Black Powder if there are 3 or more targets nearby

Playstyle

Subtlety has two abilities affected by the pandemic timer (30% of the duration), Rupture and Slice and Dice. Most modern Weakaura packages come with a check for pandemic on these abilities, but if you do not have that, these are the timers:

  • Rupture 8,4 seconds left (9,6 with 7 cp)
  • Slice and Dice 12,4 seconds left (14,4 with 7 cp)
Survivability

In general, a Rogue is probably one of the most sturdy DPS classes in the game.

Playing around this fact is often underrated when it comes to DPS. We can do things that few other classes would get away with. Limit testing with Feint, Cloak of Shadows, and Cheat Death is one of the first things I do when testing bosses on PTR.

How much can you get away with before it becomes a problem for both healers and your life? 

Movement

I won't say too much about this, but I will say that any good Subtlety rogue knows how to get the most out of Sprint and Shadowstep.

  • Getting that extra melee or ability off before having to move by stepping a ranged DPS
  • Sprint and gap close with Shadowstep
  • Avoid knockbacks with Shadowstep
  • Vanish (2 charges in Dragonflight) and Shadowstrike teleport

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Manuals

Good! This time we're looking at the talents and abilities of the cunning rogues in Legion, based on the latest data from the Legion Alpha, which is currently in Build 20994.

Index

  • 1 Rogue in the Legion
  • 2 In the legion
  • 3 Eliminated
  • 4 15 lvl.
  • 5 30 ur.
  • 6 45 ur.
  • 7 60 ur.
  • 8 75 lvl.
  • 9 90
  • 10 100 lvl.

Rogue in Legion

A while back, Blizzard told us about some of the changes coming to Legion's rogue trickery. The most attention then attracted the news that his role will be connected with the theme of the ninja, just as the robber is connected with the pirates. For now, these are changes.

Skills

Remember that this is alpha data and many changes, additions and modifications can be made to it.

In Legion

  • Feint - Amago : Performs an evasive maneuver that reduces damage taken from area attacks by 50% for 5 seconds.
  • Cloak of Shadows - Cloak of Shadows : Grants immunity to magic, instantly removing all harmful spell effects. The cloak lasts and makes you resist damage spells for 5 seconds.
  • Distract - Distract : Launches a distraction that draws the attention of all nearby monsters for 10 seconds. Can be used while invisible.
  • Shadow Slam - Shadow Slam : Break through the shadows to appear behind your target and deal physical damage. Gives 1 combo point.
  • Vanish – Vanish : Allows you to disappear and enter stealth mode in combat. For the first 3 seconds, damage will not break stealth. Removes motion reduction effects.
  • Evasion - Evasion : Increases dodge chance by 100% for 10 seconds.
  • Eviscerate – Eviscerate : A finisher that guts the target, dealing damage per combo point.
  • Pick the lock - Forced Lock : Allows chests and doors to be unlocked.
  • Cheap Shot - Low Blow : Stuns the target for 4 seconds. Gives 2 combo points.
  • Kidney Shot - Kidney Shot : Finisher that stuns the target. This continues for each combo point.
  • Blade of the Night – Blade of the Night - A finisher that infects the target with shadow energy, dealing shadow damage over time and provoking attacks against the target to reduce their movement speed by 50% for 8 seconds. This continues for each combo point.
  • Shadow Blades – Shadow Blades : You use ambient shadows to empower your weapons, causing your auto attacks to deal Shadow damage, and your combo point generating abilities grant an additional combo point when used. Lasts 5 seconds.
  • Shuriken Throw – Shuriken Throw : A ranged attack that deals physical damage to an enemy target. Gives 1 combo point.
  • shadow step - Shadow Pass - Walks through shadows to appear behind the target and increases movement speed by 70% for 2 seconds.
  • Kick – Kick : A swift strike that interrupts spell casting and prevents spells of the same school from being cast for 5 seconds.
  • Resin - Strike : Incapacitates a target that is not in combat for up to 1 minute. Works only with humanoids, demons and dragons. Any damage dealt will revive the target. Only one target can be hit at a time.
  • Backstab – Punch : Pierces the target, inflicting Physical damage. When you are behind the target, damage is increased by 30%. Gives 1 combo point.
  • Extraction Point - Rally Point : Teleports you to the Room of Shadows. Using it in the Shadow Room will return the rogue to the exit point.
  • Pocket - steal : Steal items from the target.
  • Subterfuge - stealth : Hides you in the shadows until canceled, allowing you to track down enemies without being noticed.
  • Sprint - Sprint : Increases your movement speed by 70% for 8 seconds. Can be used while invisible.
  • Shuriken Storm – Shuriken Storm : Throw shurikens at all targets within 10 yards, dealing physical damage and applying your active poisons at normal speed. Gain 1 combo point for each target hit.
  • Crimson Flask - Crimson Flask : Alchemy blend that instantly restores 30% of your maximum health.
  • Shadow Dance - Shadow Dance : Passive. Your finishers have a 20% chance per combo point spent to trigger Shadow Dance for 3 seconds. Shadow Dance allows you to use all of your Stealth abilities, but they are not interrupted when you auto-attack or take damage.
  • Mastery Executioner - Mastery Executioner : Passive. Increases the damage dealt by your Finishers by 84.8% (based on your Mastery Rating).
  • Shadow Master - Shadow Master : Passive. Instantly gain 60 energy while sneaking.
  • Navy Footed – Lightfoot : Passive. Your movement speed is increased by 15% and the damage you take from falling is reduced.
  • Shadow Techniques - Shadow Techniques : Passive. Your auto attacks have a chance to generate a combo point.

Removed

Poisons are exclusive to Assassination and have therefore been removed.

  • Sinister Strike
  • Quit
  • ambush
  • Make minced meat
  • Recover
  • Gouge
  • Blindness
  • garrote
  • Method of preparation
  • Jeb
  • Veil of Concealment
  • Trade Secrets
  • Crimson Storm
  • Smoke bomb
  • Knife blower
  • bleeding
  • Honor among thieves
  • Energy Recovery
  • Tearing
  • Blood vein
  • Evil Call
  • Detect weakness

talents

lvl 15

  • Finesse Master – Finesse Master : Passive. Attacks in Stealth and within 6 seconds after leaving Stealth deal an additional 10% damage.
  • Weapon Master – Weapon Master : Passive. Your abilities have a 6% chance to hit the target twice each time they deal damage.
  • Twilight Blade - Twilight Blade - Imbues your weapon with shadow energy and strikes the target, dealing Shadow damage. Gives 1 combo point. Replaces Backstab.

Level 30

  • Nightstalker – Nightstalker : Passive. While stealthed, you move 20% faster and your abilities deal 50% more damage.
  • excuse - Trick : Passive. Your stealth abilities can continue to be used for 3 seconds after leaving stealth.
  • Shadow Focus - Shadow Focus : Passive. While invisible, abilities cost 50% less energy.

Level 45

  • Deeper strategy - Deep stratagem : Passive. You can now have a maximum of 6 combo points, and your finishers consume a maximum of 6 combo points.
  • Waiting - anticipating : Passive. Increase the maximum combo points by 3. Finishers still consume a maximum of 5 combo points.
  • Strength - Strength : Passive. Increases your maximum energy by 50 points and your base energy regeneration by 10%.

60 ur.

  • Soothing Darkness - Soothing Darkness : Passive. You regenerate 3% of your maximum health every 1 second while Stealth is active.
  • Evasive – Illusion : Passive. Feint also reduces all damage you take by 30% for 5 seconds.
  • Cheat Death – Cheat Death : Passive. Deadly attacks reduce your health to 7% of your maximum health instead of killing you. You take 85% less damage for the next 3 seconds. It cannot be activated more than once every 2 minutes.

75 ur.

  • Shadow Strike : Passive. Shadow Slam also stuns your target for 2 seconds.
  • Hunting the weak - Insulting the weak : Passive. Enemies hit by Kidney Strike, Cheap Strike, or Club take 10% more damage from all sources.
  • Tangled Shadow - Tangled Shadow : Passive. Nightblade now reduces the target's movement speed by an additional 20%.

lvl 90

  • intentionality – intentionality : Passive. Low Blow and Shadow Slam generate 1 additional combo point.
  • liveliness - Ready : Passive. Your finishing moves have a 20% chance per combo to increase your haste by 1% for 20 seconds. Stacks up to 25 times.
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